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CBI needs wings
Politicians like the ‘parrot’ in cage
Although the government has set up a group of ministers to get the CBI out of the “cage”, neither the Congress nor the BJP are keen on shedding government control over it, given their past track records.

Dealing with China
Significance of Li Keqiang visit
Despite the hiccups now and then in the relations between India and China, as seen during the stand-off following the developments near the Line of Actual Control in Ladakh, the ties between the two are moving in the right direction.

Stop harassing girls
Punish the guilty, not the victims
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HE state that has earned much infamy for the archaic diktats issued by khap panchayats is now under the spotlight for yet another arbitrary decision concerning the fair sex.


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ARTICLE

Operation clean-up
Pak poll presages a new beginning
by B.G. Verghese
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HE big news is, of course, a famous victory for democracy in Pakistan and a courageous rejection of Islamist fundamentalism despite a mixed verdict. As many as 26 lives were lost to fundamentalist mayhem on polling day and 100 more since the poll campaign began in April. Fear kept away some polling staff and voters, but the overall poll percentage has been gratifying.

MIDDLE

Literature as a safety valve
by Faiyyaz Farooqui
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N a very bright shiny evening of last winter when I was about to start my tennis game, Colonel Harjap, my tennis mate and a good friend, talked about a budding poetess, Bhagyashree, of Ludhiana. He insisted that I should write down a few words for her poetry book since I have a literary taste (as he assumes).

OPED — PAKISTAN

TURNING POINT: defining the army’s role
Even with the advent of a democratically elected government with a clear mandate, the fear of military intervention at some stage continues to linger in Pakistan. In Lahore, Raj Chengappa, Editor-in-Chief, The Tribune Group of Newspapers, speaks to General Jehangir Karamat, who preceded Gen Pervez Musharraf as army chief, to read the temperature within the barracks as well as outside.
‘With democracy maturing, coup not likely’
— General Jehangir Karamat (retd), former Pakistan Chief of Army Staff
Gen Jehangir Karamat
(retd), 72, remained Chief of Staff of the Pakistan Army from January 1996 to October 1998. He resigned as army chief following differences with then Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif. Having served as a professor of political science at the National Defence University in Islamabad, General Karamat is also an expert on defence and security matters, especially with his career in the military. In 2004, he was appointed Pakistan’s Ambassador to the US, where he served from November 2004 to June 2006.





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CBI needs wings
Politicians like the ‘parrot’ in cage

Although the government has set up a group of ministers to get the CBI out of the “cage”, neither the Congress nor the BJP are keen on shedding government control over it, given their past track records. Misuse of the CBI has been common and blatant, especially in cases involving politicians, regardless of which coalition combination is in power. The CBI acts or sleeps over a case depending on directions from the masters. Did the agency go on its own after the nephew of Pawan Kumar Bansal, leading to the resignation of the Railway Minister? Similar professionalism was missing in the coal scam case. In spite of the Supreme Court’s monitoring, CBI Director Ranjit Sinha showed the coal block inquiry report to the Law Minister and officials from the PMO and the Coal Ministry.

There is a suggestion to make the CBI Director ineligible for any post-retirement assignment. The parliamentary standing committee on the Lokpal Bill has suggested that the CBI Director should be appointed by a collegium comprising the Prime Minister, the Leader of the Opposition in the Lok Sabha and the Chief Justice of India. The CBI has a lot of powers under the existing laws. The Cr.P.C. lays down that investigators will be free from pressure. For investigating a corruption case the CBI is answerable only to the Central Vigilance Commission. In the Vineet Narain case of 1997 Justice J.S.Verma of the Supreme Court laid stress on the independence of the premier investigating agency. Despite a strong legal and Supreme Court backing, the CBI at times feels either helpless or allows itself to be controlled. Much depends on the kind of top brass the CBI has.

The group should find ways to curb political interference in CBI work so that it can function independently and responsibly. There are suggestions to give it constitutional status on the pattern of the CAG and the Election Commission. Given the level of corruption by those in power and a poor rate of conviction of politicians, public mood is in favour of a strong Lokpal and a more autonomous CBI.

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Dealing with China
Significance of Li Keqiang visit

Despite the hiccups now and then in the relations between India and China, as seen during the stand-off following the developments near the Line of Actual Control in Ladakh, the ties between the two are moving in the right direction. Though the visit to Beijing by External Affairs Minister Salman Khurshid was primarily meant to lay the groundwork for the coming visit of Chinese Premier Li Keqiang to India, the exchange of views between the two sides provided clear indications that China attaches greater significance to its ties with India than with many other countries. The latest proof of it is available in the fact that New Delhi will be his first port of call after he became China’s Premier in March. Reports suggest that “considerable thought” has gone into the planning of Mr Li’s first foreign tour. After India he will visit Pakistan from where he will fly to Switzerland and then to Germany during his three-day sojourn.

As the Chinese leadership indicated during Mr Khurshid’s visit to Beijing, both sides need to maintain the momentum of “the sound development of bilateral relations” with a view to achieving their long-term objectives. Both are bound to make tremendous gains in the areas of trade and industry by ensuring that nothing comes in the way of their efforts to maintain at least the level of relations they have built up over the years. They have aimed at achieving the bilateral trade volume of $100 billion by 2015. Their past efforts have borne fruit as bilateral trade stood at $66.4 billion in 2012.

There are also hints from Beijing that the border dispute needs to be settled as early as possible. Perhaps the message from the Chinese leadership is that this factor alone is not allowing the growth of their economic relations at a much faster pace so that they can exploit their maximum potential. This shows that the Indian leadership has to be ready to fully respond to any move by the Chinese towards settling the border dispute. India should consider the visit as a major opportunity to understand if there is any change in the stance of China vis-à-vis India.

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Stop harassing girls
Punish the guilty, not the victims

THE state that has earned much infamy for the archaic diktats issued by khap panchayats is now under the spotlight for yet another arbitrary decision concerning the fair sex. It is indeed shocking, if not appalling, that the panchayats of six villages of Mahendergarh district have chosen an unusual method of tackling the harassment of girls. Instead of taking on the perpetrators of the crime, the panchayats have decided not to send the girls to schools! Not too long ago in yet another incident, villagers of Rewari district too had stopped sending girls to schools for they couldn’t find any other way of dealing with the persistent problem of harassment, or eve-teasing, as it is euphemistically called. Indeed, such a desperate solution could have only been thought of in the land where the status of the girl child leaves a lot to be desired.

Incidents of eve-teasing and molestation are rampant across Haryana and security concerns of parents with regard to their daughters studying in schools and colleges are genuine. Even Haryana Education Minister Geeta Bhukkal has admitted that there have been complaints about girls being harassed by boys outside schools and colleges. She has even announced a slew of measures to check eve-teasing. Installation of CCTV cameras at key points, police patrol, sexual harassment committees, a 24-hour helpline and sensitisation lectures on crimes against women are indeed appreciable steps.

However, issues of security can only work if the police inspires confidence among girl students as well as their parents. The fact that the panchayat meeting in Mahendergarh district was chaired by a retired Deputy Superintendent of Police, shows that either the police has no faith it its ability to ward off eve-teasers or no sympathy for those at the receiving end. In a country where education for girls is never put at a premium, where more boys than girls are sent to private schools and where girls often drop out of schools for absence of something as basic as toilets, merely expressing concern over drop-outs is not good enough. The state has a responsibility to ensure that girls go to schools without fear. Education is an empowering tool. Nothing, let alone society’s inability to prevent their harassment by males, should deny them this right.

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Thought for the Day

How beautiful it is to excel, and the goodness of giving from your heart.

— Robert Mondavi

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Operation clean-up
Pak poll presages a new beginning
by B.G. Verghese

THE big news is, of course, a famous victory for democracy in Pakistan and a courageous rejection of Islamist fundamentalism despite a mixed verdict. As many as 26 lives were lost to fundamentalist mayhem on polling day and 100 more since the poll campaign began in April. Fear kept away some polling staff and voters, but the overall poll percentage has been gratifying.

Hopefully, the just concluded election presages a new beginning in Pakistan with the completion for the first time of a full parliamentary term under civil rule and a democratic succession. The democratic urge underlying the vote in the face of murderous Taliban threats augurs well for Pakistan and Indo-Pakistan relations. The military, though currently subdued and guardians of the poll, and the mullahs have been jointly and separately responsible for keeping the two country’s apart. The Army safeguards the “ideological frontiers” of Pakistan (read Kashmir and beyond) while the mullahs defend Islam against the danger of liberal, democratic thought and practice.

This pernicious legacy of the fundamentalist two-nation” theory is also being currently fought in Bangladesh. If democracy is to take root in Pakistan then these evils must be exorcised from the body politic. There must be a commitment to equal citizenship where not merely Shias, Ismailias and Ahmediyas but the Hindu, Sikh, Christian and other minorities as well as women are treated as equal citizens, safe from vicious, medieval blasphemy laws and other forms of discrimination.

Nawaz Sharif’s Muslim League (N) has emerged as the single largest party, though not in majority. Nawaz Sharif has made all the right statements about fostering good relations and cooperation with India, picking up from 1999 when he was rudely ousted by General Musharraf. But much will depend on the kind of coalition he will head and the political bargains struck.

The petty tit-for-tat enmity between sections of Indians and Pakistanis sadly ended the life of Sarabjit Singh, an Indian life convict in Lahore, and Sanaullah, a Pakistani life convict in Jammu. Sarabjit was clubbed to death by his cell mates and a week later there followed the disgraceful revenge killing of Sanaullah by his jail mates. Both were acts of barbarism made possible by callous negligence on the part of the respective jail authorities. Both were victims of senseless hatred. In both cases, those guilty of murder must be brought to speedy justice.

At home, Ashwani Kumar, in particular, and PK Bansal have finally been removed from the Union Cabinet in a graceless exercise of much delayed propriety. The Congress again failed to do the right thing at the right time. No excuses will wash. The Supreme Court had to hold the government by the scruff of its neck in the one case and it took a series of criminal exposures in the other before the government acted.

In the Ashwani Kumar matter, a stinging court indictment virtually directed the government to ensure genuine autonomy by July 10 for the CBI, presently “a caged parrot tutored to sing in his master’s voice”. It must be hoped that this will be done and done honestly and that the abhorrent Single Directive will go and the CBI will be vested with an independent prosecution wing to pursue the findings of guilt swiftly and relentlessly. The Attorney-General too has lost credibility and it is best that he goes too rather than remain a lame-duck. And what about the two errant joint secretaries in the PMO and the Coal Ministry and their bosses?

Temporary Cabinet appointments have been made by way of additional charges to fill the Law and Railway portfolios. Many earlier vacancies remain and a larger reshuffle is due with an infusion of younger blood.

The Congress meanwhile is preening itself on its come-back in Karnataka. The outcome will be welcomed as the BJP administration there had become a sink of corruption and internal dissension and had fostered a dangerous brand of divisive Hindutva-RSS communalism that was poisoning social relations. Caste politics must now be put aside and Karnataka given a clean and progressive government with the accent on performance. This could be the Congresses best ticket for the 2014 polls.

Parliament has been adjourned sine die without endeavouring to debate and adopt the food security and land acquisition bills. The BJP, above all, must bear full responsibility for this wilful sabotage of the nation’s business. By steadfastly refusing to engage with the government in Parliament and hold it accountable for whatever may be its acts of omission and commission, the Opposition has let it off the hook.

Meanwhile, Delhi University has done well to open up undergraduate education to wider academic choice through its proposed new four-year degree course in slices of two years, plus one plus one. Given majority Syndicate backing, the government wisely has refused to interfere in what is an academic decision.

Many teachers and others have denounced the DU Vice-Chancellor for haste, lack of consultation and arrogance in “imposing” his will on the university. I am no educationist but see little expansion in the choice or range of courses, especially in the humanities, since I graduated from DU in 1944. There has been stagnation and too little change, with many teachers happy merely to regurgitate the notes dictated to them by their teachers two or three generations ago. Wider “consultation” over a longer period would have resulted in endless delay, litigation, dharnas and other dilatory procedures in the name of democratic process and protest.

Having served on the governing boards of at least three DU colleges, and chaired two of these, I am aware of the reluctance of certain teachers and unions to permit change, possibly for fear of exposing their own limited learning and mediocrity and jeopardising a cosy rise in rank and salary through the mere passage of time. Hence, for example, the determined opposition to the concept of autonomous colleges. There are many fine teachers, of course, but they are too easily brow-beaten by a raucous minority while others prefer to coast along fearing to buy trouble. This chalta-hai mentality has enervated government and other institutions that have borrowed this culture or had it imposed on them.

So, it is good news that DU is breaking new ground. Experience and practical realities will surely dictate sound norms and practices. Notwithstanding some initial uncertainty, students will welcome the chance to learn more and have more avenues to knowledge open up before them.

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Literature as a safety valve
by Faiyyaz Farooqui

ON a very bright shiny evening of last winter when I was about to start my tennis game, Colonel Harjap, my tennis mate and a good friend, talked about a budding poetess, Bhagyashree, of Ludhiana. He insisted that I should write down a few words for her poetry book since I have a literary taste (as he assumes). Though I am aware of my erratic literary skills and Colonel Harjap too, he knows the art of convincing anyone very well. I had no experience of writing a foreword for such books, but since I was in a hurry to start my game, I readily agreed for the same.

One fine day when I was busy in the hustle bustle of my office work, meeting complainants, dealing with the official correspondence and attending the frantic telephone calls, I witnessed one young and energetic face among the complainants, not showing any sign of pain or anguish which almost every visitor to my office invariably possesses. She was accompanying her father.

When I finished with other complainants she introduced herself as Bhagyashree and gave the reference of Colonel Harjap. She insisted that I must write down a few words for her poetry book and then I realised that how the pleasure of tennis game may land you in such difficult situations.

But now taking an alert note of the task ahead, critically analysing poetry, I anxiously asked that what made her think that a police officer would be the right person to comment on her verses, writing a foreword. Yet I reluctantly agreed.

For the next many days I could not check my mail because of my poor health. One fine evening, I clicked on her mail but, unenthusiastically, while going through her verses, simultaneously I was thinking how difficult it would have been for Mr Khushwant Singh, the noted writer and journalist, to go through my work of poetry before he wrote his weekly column, exploring the theme of my verses.

As he narrated in one of his weekly columns that he spent days after days with his glass of malt on my book, thinking and sipping his late evening drinks. I started reading Bhagyashree's poems one after another. Low and high, shallow and deep – all sorts of emotions were hitting me while traversing these verses. A delicate and tender pen can do wonders, I thought. The true poetic expression shares an imagery with the reader; the latter reading and having a strong feeling of being witness to the unfolding events. A well written verse fills our poetic taste buds with a warm sweetness. And I admit, she was successful in doing the same.

Literature works like magic. It acts as a safety valve against all the worries of a frustrated mind. The moment blood oozes out of bleeding veins of our frustrations and anxieties, the best way is to give it a let-off through our pen and scatter it in the white smooth junkyard of paper and glide lighter in life.

Many times I have discussed with fellow officers how we should promote literature among our youth to fight drug addiction as a remedial measure. Can't we promote youth clubs to establish libraries in all our villages, encourage and motivate youth to spend their valuable time there to generate positive energy?

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OPED — PAKISTAN

TURNING POINT: defining the army’s role
Even with the advent of a democratically elected government with a clear mandate, the fear of military intervention at some stage continues to linger in Pakistan. In Lahore, Raj Chengappa, Editor-in-Chief, The Tribune Group of Newspapers, speaks to General Jehangir Karamat, who preceded Gen Pervez Musharraf as army chief, to read the temperature within the barracks as well as outside.

‘With democracy maturing, coup not likely’
— General Jehangir Karamat (retd), former Pakistan Chief of Army Staff

— General Jehangir Karamat (retd), former Pakistan Chief of Army StaffGen Jehangir Karamat (retd), 72, remained Chief of Staff of the Pakistan Army from January 1996 to October 1998. He resigned as army chief following differences with then Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif. Having served as a professor of political science at the National Defence University in Islamabad, General Karamat is also an expert on defence and security matters, especially with his career in the military. In 2004, he was appointed Pakistan’s Ambassador to the US, where he served from November 2004 to June 2006.

How do you view the outcome of these elections – what’s the big message?

The message that has gone out is that it was a performance-based response. They looked at the five-year performance, and then responded to that. Secondly, while there was great desire for drastic change, it has been tempered by a more rational outlook, which speaks for a great deal of maturity among the public — voting in a person who is experienced and is known. Another positive aspect is that a third political force, which is only going to become stronger, has emerged. Overall, it is a very positive development for democracy and the political environment in Pakistan.

What are the key challenges on the security front?

Security and economy are both in a precarious situation. Both are very important and interlinked in many ways. If you do not have security, you won’t have investment coming in. If the economy is strong, you can take care of many of the security aspects with greater capacity. The two will have to be tackled together as part of a comprehensive national security strategy, which we hope will emerge in the days ahead.

We have a situation on the western border that needs to be defused and stabilised. Obviously, one of the pillars of that is good bilateral relations with Afghanistan and India. The violence in Afghanistan has developed linkages in Pakistan also. So you have an internal security problem that translates into a human security problem also. An intersection of economy, security and foreign policy has to happen to bring about a comprehensive national security strategy.

What should be the new approach to dealing with Afghanistan?

In Afghanistan, we had a problem with the US defining the end game, which brought in a lot of uncertainty. This uncertainty then led to sanctuaries on Afghan soil doing cross-border things in Pakistan, and vice versa. Now the focus is on the end game. From Pakistan’s point of view — and this is my opinion — we need to have a relationship with all stakeholders in Afghanistan — the Taliban, the Afghan government and the US. We should also support the process to make Afghanistan stable and capable of managing itself. That will give us enormous advantage in dealing with our own problems linked to Afghanistan, including the Tehrik-i-Taliban (Pakistan) and other factions.

How should the Nawaz Sharif government deal with internal strife?

Thus far assertion of state power hasn’t really happened, and because of that we haven’t developed capacity for it. Overall, Pakistan needs to harden itself internally. There is no time to be soft on the inside. There should be no spaces that are either marginally governed or not governed. You need to make sure there is the rule of the law, credibility of government and governance.

There is talk of a multi-pronged approach being adopted to deal with domestic militancy.

They have taken steps, there has been a tremendous urge to take care of the grievances in Balochistan and handle that situation. There has been an effort to manage the situation in Karachi so that these linkages between ethnic and sectarian insurgent groups don’t spawn violence. There has been an effort to limit violence to the extent possible. That is one prong we need to move on.

The other is the political aspect, which all these problems have — like Balochistan and Karachi. There are the religious parties and other people wanting a space in the political system. We moved on that track in these elections. People linked to various groups in popular perception have been allowed to participate. They haven’t got elected, but the fact that religious parties and other people participated in the elections is important because you have now moved on the political track also.

The economic track has been weak because of the overall economic decline and the security situation that prevented us from moving quickly on this. This is a key aspect. Put the economy on centre stage. Orchestrate your foreign and security policies and other issues to have economic linkages, support and viability.

Sharif seems keen to build bridges with India again. Will he succeed?

Relations have hit a low with the LoC incidents and the tit-for-tat incidents in jail, and a lot of the inevitable rhetoric. Mr Sharif has a track record of promoting the economy. He is for free market, deregulation and infrastructure development. He can make positive moves on this aspect in the relationship with India.

There are a lot of other issues that cloud our relations. For example, Sir Creek is resolvable. If there is will and political decision making, you can resolve it. Siachen can be resolved without difficulty. The logical step after ceasefire on the LoC would have been demilitarisation — to avoid the eyeball-to-eyeball confrontation, which inevitably leads to some incidents.

Mr Sharif has at the outset sent signals that he wants to continue the process that started in 1999, with Mr Vajpayee’s visit to Lahore, which is a positive thing to do under the circumstances. More importantly, the fact that he is focusing on the bilateral relationship with India, which means trade, economy, foreign policy — the whole spectrum of things — the signs are good. But we have been through these good signs before and then stepped back. I hope we do not do that now. It is very important for both the countries. There are so many asymmetries developing between India and Pakistan. Reassurance from your side and a positive response to overtures Mr Sharif is making should go a long way in helping us towards a better relationship.

Bringing the 26/11 perpetrators to justice has been India’s theme song, but Pakistan isn’t listening. What prevents Pakistan from moving quickly on that?

From what I have read and heard from people who know about this, I believe there are some legal issues that need to be resolved before these people can be tackled. You cannot just be pressured into taking action without going through due process. There are lawyers on both sides who have been involved in this, may be a discussion between them would help. I wish this does not stay the ‘theme song’, and turns more into a learning experience. The need is for a joint investigative mechanism so that whenever there is an incident — whether on the LoC or a non-state actor does something in India or Pakistan, or an incident in jail — that mechanism should kick in immediately, and not allow the media to take over the situation, and then turn into a government response to the media situation.

The Indian media does report that Hafiz Sayeed, the mastermind of 26/11, is in Pakistan and free to move around. Why isn’t Pakistan taking action against him?

I believe there was some action taken, he was detained, investigated, and so were other people. But we would have to look at the exact interrogation, reports, etc, that took place. May be there is scope for legal minds to put their heads together on this.

On the other major issue, which is Kashmir, what do you think is the way forward? Is there any army perception that it is time to settle it now?

I think a bit of this has happened already. You have moved on trade, you’ve had a ceasefire in place for some time; you very quickly get into discussions whenever something happens. In a way you have already moved towards saying that relations could be normalised. Trade, economic issues, etc, could take over. Getting bogged down in an issue which is not being resolved means missing all the economic opportunities in this region — like energy flow from Central Asia or Iran — we both lose out on those. I don’t think there is resistance from the military to any of these things, but Pakistan’s basic stance on Kashmir remains unchanged. It is stated often enough — that this is the basis on which it has to be resolved. But then, a long time has passed, and perhaps more discussions are needed to relook at the problem, as happened during the Musharraf regime. Maybe a review of what happened then is needed, and then take up the process from there.

Nawaz Sharif says he wants to pick up the thread from 1999, leaving out the fact that there were many threads after that. Yet we always seem to take steps backward. What can be done to insulate the relations from such political vagaries?

On our side there is the question of ownership. When you talk of 1999, you want ownership of a process that you started and are now taking forward. You have to factor in 2004. You may repackage it so that ownership remains with you, and then move on. It is important that there is a more comprehensive and wholesome look at the entire process between India and Pakistan and not just condemning one segment because ‘so and so’ did it. I think once this happens we can have a process that is insulated from transient changes.

The second is the dialogue that started after the visit of then Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee. It was a very comprehensive dialogue. We have resumed it off and on. There are all these proposals for confidence building and hotlines. They all have their place. But one thing Pakistan has had on the table for long, that India does not look at seriously, is a strategic restraint regime between the two. That may help us plateau in some of the weapon development areas, which are extremely costly for both the countries. I know on your side there is a drift to a maritime strategy and a look at the Pacific, so you have to spend on acquiring that capacity. Indians also cite threats from China and sometimes say that for them the China and Pakistan threats are one. You have to cut through all that.

There will be an understanding here of India’s maritime threat and problems with China. But some Pakistan-specific policy studies in India, and similar studies on our side, could help in getting us to some kind of a restraint agreement. It is being worked out in Europe and there are models for it, so we don’t have to invent the wheel all over.

Nawaz Sharif also talks of setting up a Kargil commission in a move to absolve himself of the blame. How well will such a move go down with the Army?

That may be a difficult area. You had a Kargil commission in India immediately after the incident. I think that commission did a good job in terms of highlighting lapses and suggesting areas that needed to be strengthened. India has gained from that report. We could have done a similar thing and gained from it. But now reviving that without getting everybody on board and starting a process may not be wise. I think Kargil has been studied and examined within the Pakistan Army, and lessons have been learnt. Those just have to be harnessed and discussed with all the actors.

But Nawaz Sharif appears intent on pinning the blame on Musharraf?

I think going off on tangents and blaming individuals, being vindictive, looking at retribution, is going to be counter-productive. We have got to look at the present and move on to the future. There have been many changes in Pakistan since Kargil. There has been a democratically elected government for five years and another government has come. There are great hopes on the economic front too. So I think focus should be on these issues and not getting side-tracked. It could turn into an enormous distraction. You have to put the past behind and move on.

Sharif has already stated he believes in civilian supremacy and would ensure it. How will the army take it?

There is a change already in the last five years. The Army has consciously kept itself out of political decision-making and situations, which is a good sign. This is going to be Kayani’s legacy when he leaves — that he worked for better civil-military relations and for democracy in the country, and made a very positive contribution. It is already being said by everybody. Structures for civilian supremacy already exist. You have the Defence Committee of the Cabinet, which is institutionalised. Everybody sits there; the minutes are recorded before decision-making. You have the Ministry of Defence, which handles the budget for the armed forces and other policy decisions pertaining to the forces. There is the Defence Council, which is a body chaired by the Defence Minister. I think if you work the system and use the institutions, you have everything to develop very good civil-military relations.

You said there is a change in the Army’s approach, what is that change?

The change in the army’s approach has been to completely stay out of the political arena and situations. Let the dynamics of situations play out and let the political institutions resolve things. The situation was grave in Balochistan and Karachi. But the military didn’t interfere in that. The political government did its best to handle it on its own. While an elected government should have institutional and structural strength of the military behind it to assist it, you shouldn’t have points of friction where the army holds back or waits before it gives everything. One thing that could help vastly is that an elected government should establish its credibility and retain that through good governance, management of the economy, internal security, etc. Once that credibility is there, there won’t be any reason for friction among the institutions.

Some experts say the army is no longer a government-in-waiting. Is it true?

Yes, in a way it is true because the complexity of the problems has increased vastly. There is also global abhorrence of a military imposing itself and shunting out democracy or elected governments. The proof of this is that we have been through very precarious situations like Swat, but the military never even considered doing anything to upset the democratic process. So I think there is a sea change.

However, whenever I met Indian colleagues and friends, they have the obsession that it is the military which calls the shots in Pakistan. Perhaps there is a history and it was true in the past. But during the past five years — and five years is not a short time — there has been a considerable change. Nawaz Sharif has been making very positive and definite statements and there will be a change. More focus should be on a political government.

It is not only India but other people also who say Pakistan does not have one power centre, and they do not know who to talk to. Democracy is all about resolving this image of Pakistan. The focus should be on the elected government, and it should be the main decision-maker.

The ISI is dubbed by many as a state within a state. Will the new government be able to manage the ISI?

I think it has already happened. The ISI is a great asset for Pakistan. It works under the Prime Minister and provides strategic intelligence for Pakistan. There have been brief periods in the past when the ISI was kept out of decision-making, and the government took all the decisions. Mr Sharif knows this. During the past five years, the ISI has again been kept out political affairs. But I think ISI inputs are very important, as are military inputs. That is why I tried to hint at a national security strategy that may bring everybody on board and lay a directive to everybody on how the political government wants them to operate and deliver. Of course, I believe the ISI’s role should be confined to intelligence, which will help all institutions, including the military and the ISI itself.

Is there chance of another coup by the military?

You had events triggering that in the past. I do not think that in the prevalent global situation and economic situation or with the host of problems facing the country, there is any chance of a military coup to succeed. For anybody it will be foolhardy to take such a step.

What if the political and economic situation deteriorates?

Actually, I am looking at the situation improving and moving up from a very low point, and not looking at some kind of a catastrophe. Of course, if such a catastrophe does strike, and national survival is at stake, then steps could be taken, but I don’t foresee any such situation. We have shown resilience through some very difficult times. There have been misunderstandings down the road, yet nobody was provoked into taking any such action. The past was another time. With the present environment, I don’t think it is an option at all.

Did Musharraf make a miscalculation by returning to Pakistan?

I think Musharraf took a very conscious decision to come back. He must have had a good idea of what he could face. I think what he wants to do is go through the process and get himself cleared of many of the allegations levelled against him.

Is the army upset that for the first time a former chief is being prosecuted and in some ways humiliated?

In the past too we have had military dictators subjected to criticism at the tail-end of their tenure. Our country still looks at every military intervention as a negative event. People who carried out those are subjected to criticism. In that sense the army has accepted criticism at the individual level. This time, of course, it is a legal process and the hope is that President Musharraf will go through the legal process and come out of it positively. There is no desire to intervene. Everybody is sorry that it happened, and it should not have happened. But now that it has, if it clears the air, it could help.

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