"I see myself as a
communicator"
THE name Mallika Sarabhai conjures
up the image of a beautiful classical dancer,
choreographer, theatre personality, scriptwriter and an
activist all rolled into one. Daughter of the renowned
Bharatnatyam dancer Mrinalani Sarabhai and scientist
Vikram Sarabhai, Mallika started off as a Bharatnatyam
and Kuchipudi dancer.
She made a foray into
films at the age of 16. Mallika then went on to become a
catalyst-performer who challenged her audience to sit up
and think of ecology, the womens role in society,
gender awareness and cultural atrophy.
Rejecting the need to be
reverent towards a patriarchal society, Mallikas
attempt has been to discover the valiant female figures
present in mythology history and contemporary time. Be it
through Shakti - the Power of Women a
strong statement about the Indian woman, or Sitas
daughters about women refusing to accept an
oppressive system, or through Itan Kahani, a
comment on cultural manipulation.
As a choreographer, she
has felt the need to do away with the fossilisation of
art forms. With Mallika, one sees a different idiom of
classical dance forms emerge. This idiom is demonstrated
through her experimentation on-stage with various Indian
martial forms, elements of folk dances and even video
accompaniments.
Mallika is involved with
Mrinalini Sarabhais Darpana Academy of Performing
Arts, Ahmedabad. As its co-director, she co-ordinates the
training of hundreds of students in dance, theatre,
puppetry and music, and directs the Darpan Dance Company,
Janavak Folk and Tribal Dance Company and darpana for
Development.
Recently in Chandigarh to
perform V for...., a stimulating piece on why each
one of us resorts to violence, Mallika was her boisterous
seek while talking to Sonoo Singh during an
exclusive interview excerpts.
You are perceived as a
"committed feminist" after your productions Shakti...
and Sitas Daughters. Do
you also see yourself as a feminist?
I was always a feminist.
In fact, I was born as one. For me a feminist is somebody
who fights for the rights and equal opportunities for
women and everybody else around. Its just that 55
per cent of the people who are exploited happen to be
women.
If you take the Dalits,
a Dalit woman is liable to be more
exploited than the Dalit man, because the whole
world would exploit the Dalit woman and so would
the Dalit man. Similarly, the Blacks in Africa or
in America, are viewed as an exploited race but women
still get the end of the stick. If one is talking of
human rights, or of helping to create a world where
exploitation is neither the dharma nor the mantra,
women are always at the bottom of the rung.
It is still very
fashionable to go and see Mallika Sarabhai perform
on-stage and the kind of theatre you do is viewed as
"elitist".
I think that is a stupid
view. Do you know that out of the 280 shows of Sitas
Daughters that Ive performed, 150 shows have
been done in villages in Gujarati and in Hindi?
People have hang-ups
because they think that anybody with the tag of a
Sarabhai name should be so and so, or such and such a
person. A lot of these things have come from
peoples own limitations of their own visions. They
are jealous, insecure and bitchy. Thats all.
How has your being
Mrinalani Sarabhais daughter affected you?
It hasnt. For many
years everything that I did was attributed to my parents,
but it was fine by me. I come from a family where we do
not feel threatened by each other since the family unit
is so strong. After every achievement, each of us says.
"This is for you, I love you". After every fall
we go back to the family, get licked back to shape and
are ready to push out into the world again.
Amma has been a
classical dancer since 1949. In 1963, she did a piece on
womens dowry deaths even before the phrase was
coined. Ive been taught that art reflects life and
art has to lead the way into issues that other people
dont know how to touch.
People do come up to me
and compare. "Your mother is a better dancer than
you", is what some say. Good. Would a right hand
ever resent the left hand, or a right hand resent the
left eye? Of course not! Today Amma is equally
proud of me.
Surely, your being
a Sarabhai, has touched you somewhere?
People think that if
someone comes from a wealthy, well-educated family then
the person has to be a rascal!
I would not exchange my
parents (even my larger family) for anything in the
world. Each one of them has played a significant role in
this world. My aunt Lakshmi led the INA; aunt Mridula,
dressed as a Pathan and helped 40,000 women cross both
sides of the border during Partition.
My great-aunt Anusuiya
Sarabhai started the first textile labourer association
in this country. Im extremely proud of my family.
We were brought up
thinking that since weve been given so much, we
have to open windows to peoples lives. This was
never fed to us, but was always a deep-rooted assumption.
We were never told, but
assumed that we had to do something to further our
privilege, which was in trust with us.
In what sense do you
mean "privilege"?
I definitely to not mean
wealth. What I really mean is culture. I mean sanskriti
in the larger sense of the word. My parents felt that
if their daughter did not have the right sanskaras at
the age of 14 or 15, there is nothing that they could do
to teach her the rights and wrongs at that age. I bring
up my two children in the same way.
Mallika Sarabhai
the dancer, artiste, performer and what have you
has an array of colours, shades and hues attached to her.
How would you describe her?
I see myself as a
communicator. What Im doing to you just now is what
Ill do on the stage. The same thing Ill do on
T.V. and the same thing Ill say to my children at
home. Writing scripts, publishing and doing films for
children are all roles of a communicator.
If, while talking to you,
feel that I would be able to communicate better while
standing on my head, then Ill do so! I certainly
have a problem with people who say you are a dancer so
why do something else? Thats their limitation, not
mine.
Its so much easier
to deal with people when you can put them into a little
box-"Oh, shes a dancer and therefore... Oh,
hes this and therefore..." People have to
break their intellectual laziness to cope with anybody
who does not fit in with their definitions.
What kind of person is
Mallika Sarabhai?
Im exactly the kind
of person that todays India does not approve of.
Im a genuine mix breed, a genuine hybrid a
quarter Tamil, a quarter Malayali and half Gujarati.
I dont know what
caste I belong to and I do not want to know. If people
ask me my religion, I ask them to mind their own
business. When the so-called casteists and purists try to
own me, I take great pride in declaring that Im a
mixed breed.
You come from an era
that spawned "flower-children" and was
anti-establishment. Did that influence you in any way?
Ive never felt
anything to become anti-establishment about. I was in a
school that was run by my aunt. It had been started by
Madam Montessori. We, the six or seven girls in the
class, never realised that any woman could be treated
differently in society, until I got into St.
Xaviers College.
It was an absolute shock,
a major revelation for me to discuss that we (women) were
supposed to behave differently and talk in a certain
manner. I constantly fought with professors who would
say: 'How are you going to get a first class if you wear
minis to college?' I answered back 'Will you look at my
papers or my legs', and was rusticated for what.
At the Indian Institute of
Management, we were the first group of women large enough
to demand a hostel, as we didnt have one. Horror of
horrors we got the hostel. I dont think all this
was anything to do with the era.
Peter Brookes Mahabharata
was performed for five years. How has it been,
being Draupadi for these five years?
For me, in some sense, the
crucible was in those years that I spent doing Mahabharata.
Draupadi was a dream role, and working in it has been
a great creative process. In fact, Draupadi seeped
somewhere into me, just as some part of me seeped into
Draupadi.
I started working as a
young dancer at the peak of my career and was separately,
an activist. At the end of five years & came out
convinced that the two had to merge.
Post-Mahabharata, in
all my work, even in the traditional forms, I would
choose a Varnam that did not show the Nayika pleading
or begging at somebodys feet.
You have been working
with John Martin for a couple of years now, out of which
arose Shakti, Sitas Daughters and
now V for... How has it been working
with Jon Marin.
When I was working with
Peter Brooke there were many ego hassles between us. With
John Martin there is no such thing. Both of us respect
each other and know that we are working together to bring
a "better reality".
Martin and me come from
totally different backgrounds. We started working
together in 1989 when Shakti was first born.
It was he who really
kick-started me into discovering my creative self, by
asking me to show him what all I had to say by shedding
off all my inhibitions. Thats how it started.
We write our shows
together, research, create and improving on them
together. So if someone were to ask me who wrote a
particular line or thought of a particular scene I would
have no idea really.
How do you find the
time and energy for your various roles?
I love life. I love
everything I do. I wish I had 14 more hours more in my
day. Im lucky to have a very supportive family, who
dont doubt my abilities, howsoever unconventional,
to manage things that Im committed to do. Both my
children, with whom I share an extraordinary
relationship, know that they come first.
Absolutely!
My role model has been my
mother, Amma, throughout. She has stood by my side
like a rock, telling me that her love for me is not
dependent on what I do but for what I am.
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