When I write I get completely immersed in it and then I am
free for some months before I start work on the next book so
that way I do take out time for the family. And maybe I am
emotionally turbulent and all this emotional calm that you say
you are seeing and commenting on is just deceptive.You
come to India often and you seem well-versed with the life
here and there’s a perception that you could be writing a book
on India.
Maybe yes. In fact, there have been certain changes in
India in the last decade, changes in the society and on the
political scene, which is throwing up political figures likes
Mayawati and Modi. The days of the Congress seem over and the
reality is that it’s these figures — Mayawati and Modi — who
represent the future. What I find a shame here is that even
the most corrupt so-called VVIPS have chamchas hovering
all around them, as though in awe of them, and I find this
very unfortunate.
The very mention of Modi brings to mind the images of the
Gujarat carnage. Comment.
Gujarat was a major disaster that was allowed to happen and
the response to it was feeble. But here I would also like to
point out that one cannot generalise anything on the basis of
what took place in Gujarat and I am saying this because for
the last few months I have been travelling in Kerala and I
didn’t witness any communal tension between Hindus and
Muslims.
Coming to your latest book Tibet Tibet how do you
explain the passion with which you have written this book?
My involvement with Tibet had started in the early 1980s,
when I was about 16. I was provoked by an encounter with the
Dalai Lama, whose style and exoticism caught my eye. For the
last 20 years I have been interacting with the Tibetan
refugees and this book is part memoir, part travel book, part
history; it is a quest for the true, as opposed to the
mythical, Tibet. I wanted to focus on the people and their
plight. In fact, in 1987 whilst I was living in a room at
Tsechokling monastery, below McLeodganj,
I met a man who was attached to the monastery but was not a
monk and his name was Thubten Ngodup and 11 years later,
during a demonstration in New Delhi’s Jantar Mantar, Ngodup
made his choice — by his own free will he ran to a hut where
the cleaning fluids of the banners were kept and poured
gasoline over his body. With a spark and a roar he burst from
the hut and ran into the square, blazing. Ngodup’s death shook
me. There was something about its directness and logic that
was hard to put away from my mind.
Why do you think that in India there’s little or no
sympathy for the Tibetan cause?
To be fair to India, it has housed these Tibetan refugees
numbering over 80,000, and if it had been the UK, they would
have sent back. Perhaps, India and Indians have so many other
problems to deal with that the refugee problem doesn’t really
stand out.
You have been travelling frequently to McLeodganj as a
foreigner. Have you faced any problems living there? Did you
face problems with men from intelligence agencies keeping
track of foreigners?
None whatsoever. Perhaps the only problem I faced it was in
reaching there, and when I had to travel through Punjab during
the days of the agitation for Khalistan. Of course
intelligence persons are there but they have never bothered
me. But they question the new refugees coming from Tibet and
yes, sometimes Chinese spies are spotted there.
It is said that a dialogue between Beijing and Dalai Lama
might come about soon.
Not much is likely to come out of it. Beijing would want a
complete surrender by the Dalai Lama and that means give up
the idea of a democratic Tibet and that of a Greater Tibet and
also the idea of an autonomous and independent Tibet.
Many Tibet observers have begun to ask who will fill the
vacuum after Dalai Lama.
They have installed Samdhong Rimpoche as the prime minister
of the Tibetans in exile.
How would you describe the Dalai Lama?
There’s an extraordinary aura and personal charisma about
him. He uses his charm whilst reflecting on many serious
questions. He knows how to relate to foreigners. In Dharamsala
he is different, more like a father figure to his people. The
Dalai Lama is hard to read: opaque, intuitive, wise, flippant,
childlike, canny and disarming. After watching him for nearly
20 years I still felt some uncertainty about what motivated
him, and what his real political strategy was for Tibet.