Saturday, June 23, 2001
M A I N   F E A T U R E


“I am not interested in politics”

Ashwini Bhatnagar talks to Amitabh Bachchan on the sets of KBC in Mumbai

ONE year of Kaun Banega Crorepati (KBC) during which time it has created television history and you are back where you belong — right on top. How does it feel now?

I feel very good about this. There were a lot of apprehensions before starting this show — whether it will work or not as it was being attempted for the first time. I myself was very apprehensive about doing television, but, fortunately, everything worked out well. It has been a remarkable experience — wonderful moments of joy and happiness, great highs and the kind of statistics we have been seeing are quite amazing. Over three crore telephone calls from over 5,000 cities in the country, more than Rs 18 crore given out in prize winnings; it has been a wonderful experience.

During the show you talk a lot about luck. How much do you think this show is about luck?

I don’t think I speak too much about luck. It is a mixture — a lot of your knowledge and a little bit of luck because once your lifelines go and you want to go ahead then you are testing your luck. There is no logical reason for you to succeed then. You guess and when you guess it is your luck.

 


KBC has been franchised from the vastly successful Who Wants To Be A Millionaire show. So the format was already there. But how much do you think you have contributed personally to the programme to make it such a big success here?

Nothing.The format of the programme is very watertight and the company which owns this game show does not allow any changes. The only thing that we are doing is that we are doing it in Hindi.

One thing which every one mentions while speaking about this programme is that it is Mr Bachchan’s grace in handling people and situations that makes KBC so eminently watchable. This response is especially forthcoming from your female audiences. However, you were recognised as an angry young man who was irreverent and aggressive in the movies. Today, the Bachchan charisma lies in being a thoroughly suave gentleman who makes people feel comfortable and good. How do you describe this transition?

That’s a role (I played). Whatever kind of role was written for me I had to do it to the best of my ability. That is somebody else’s idea, somebody else’s writing, somebody else’s clothes, somebody else’s thought. Here, I am hoping that something of what I am, or what I would like to be, or how I would like to present myself comes out. It is more a laid back sort of atmosphere here and people are enjoying it.

Does television allow you to be more of your natural self?

Certainly. A game show like this does give you the opportunity to interact with people outside like I would in my normal life.

Television programme-making is more like a drill — there are repetitive cues and the format is fixed. But you are an actor basically and not an anchorman. Do you miss making movies and being an actor?

I am still doing movies. Every month, I give 7 to 10 days to KBC and the rest are for the movies.

Which of the two do you think gives you more satisfaction as a performer?

I get satisfaction in both mediums. I get satisfaction when I go in front of the movie cameras and I get satisfaction when I do television. It is a healthy mix. In television, there is no time and that’s the difficult part. You have to just be thinking about different aspects on your own and very quickly, perhaps simultaneously, and react. That’s the difficult part. Every time when I have to go in front of the cameras it is very frightening.

KBC and Kyun Ki Saas Bhi Kabhi Bahu Thi are riding success back to back. The latter is all about family ties whereas a little while ago soaps were showing families breaking...

Joint families are a part of our tradition. We believe in the strength of our families. This has been going on for thousands of years and you can’t break it suddenly. And the tradition has many merits. The western countries attribute many of their ills to the breaking up of the family. There, as soon as a son is 17-18 years’ old woh namaste kar ke ghar chhod kar chala jata hai. Uske baad use na apne mata-pita ka dhyan rehta hai, na chinta hoti hai. Aur hamare yahan iska ulta hota hai. Jaise hi beta bada hota hai, kehta hai bauji, aap ghar par baithe aaram kare, hum aap ki dekh-bhaal karenge. Both these traditions are different from each other. Par hamari pratha mein nishchit roop se zyada dum hai...

What are your expectations from Abhishek?

Yeh expectation hai ki woh kahe ki aap ghar baitheye aur hum kamayenge aur aap ki dekh-bhaal karenge.

I am told Abhishek is doing very well...

Dekhiye, abhi to woh bahut kam umr ke hain. Abhi to unhe bahut kuchh seekhna hai, bahut mehnat karni hai unko. Abhi to shuruaat hai.

It is said that every profession or a vocation affects the person involved in it. How much do you think acting has added or taken away from the type of person that you were when you started?

Amitabh BachchanI think that the acting profession is one of observation — observing human beings. So, even while we talk or go outside and meet other people, we are quite unconsciously always assimilating or making note of characters, situations, performances of human beings. And it comes very naturally to us. So in that respect, I find myself being a little more observant. I don’t deliberately go out and search for any input but more or less it keeps happening quite inadvertently. In many respects I feel that this is somewhat dangerous to us as human beings and for our psyche. This is because during the course of our careers when we have to perform different kinds of roles, there is a desire to perform them well. And we feel that performing the role well means getting into a situation which is as real to that related situation. Therefore, many a times we feel that we have spent a certain emotion from within us which perhaps would come to a normal human being once in a lifetime. But for us it comes 10 times, 20 times. We are always very scared that were we to be faced with the real situation ever in our lives would the emotions we express be the real thing or just another performance. For example, we enact scenes about a father or mother dying or even a son dying, and when we enact these sequences we try to imagine as to what the feeling in our hearts will be when such tragedies take place in real life. We come up with a similar emotion and intensity for the scene.... aur Ishwaar na kare, jab hamare niji jivan mein agar aisa ho to us samay kya emotion niklega? Kyunki aisa ho sakta hai ki jo bhavana thi us ek kshan ke liye, us ek mauke ke liye jivan mein, usey shayad hamne kharch kar diya hai. (And God forbid, if anything like this happens in our personal lives then what sort of emotion will flow? It can happen that the emotion that we had within us for a particular moment, for that particular situation in our life, we have already spent it.)

I had watched you very closely when Rajiv Gandhi had died and you had come to carry his ashes. Watching you, the thought had come to my mind whether you were really feeling it or as an actor you had spent it all. Do you, because of your acting stint, feel emotionally spent?

No, I don’t. I do not. I feel that even now there are moments in the family or personal moments where emotions do erupt.

In an interview many years ago, you had said, to quote you, "Beware of the fury of a patient man." Could you elaborate on it now, looking back to when you had said it?

See, obviously it came from a feeling of being ostracised, of being victimised. And when the victimisation is too large for you to battle it immediately because you have an entire hostile government, an entire hostile media, you have hostile people on the streets since that’s the kind of impression that has been built up, it is very difficult to fight. So you remain quiet. You take it on your face. You take it on your chin and then wait to disprove that. So, I felt that it was better to have patience, to work at the facts, to bring out the truth in what I felt was the correct way. And that’s what we did. We went to court, not in this country because the allegation did not emerge from India but from Sweden, Switzerland and London. We went to all these three courts and we fought the battle legally there. We won in each one of these countries. We resurrected the bad name that we had received. That’s what I meant. Sometimes you have to be patient, sometimes when a wind of negativity blows it is very difficult to stand up to it, especially when you have an entire government against you.

What do you feel now—a victor or a victim?

I feel neither. I have no sense of having been been victorious in something. I don’t feel a victim as I don’t feel that I had done anything wrong. But I certainly don’t want to beat my chest and say ki bhai, maine bahut bara kamaal kar diya. Ho jata hai kabhi kabhi jivan mein. Jivan mein thoda bahut sangharsh bahut zaroori hai.

What about politics? Have you completely washed your hands off it? It is being said that you may campaign for the Samajwadi Party?

No. Hamare mitr hain Mulayam Singhji aur Amar Singhji aur main jaanta hoon ki unhone agar mujhse kabhi kuch kaha karne ko to main zaroor chahunga... par main yeh bhi jaanta hoon ki woh mujhse koi bhi galat kaam nahi karvayenge. I am genuinely not interested in politics.

As a person, as a citizen, which political issue is closest to your heart?

I dont have any. I read newspapers for my information. I don’t comment.

Coming back to KBC, have you often felt that the person on the hot seat may be very nervous and complexed as he is facing such a big star?

Nahi complex to nahi hota.Aur main aisa bada havua bhi nahi khara karta hoon. My duty is to relax them, make them feel comfortable. The contestants come through a process of selection, there are several rounds of them, and, finally, when they arrive here we talk to them, have rehearsals and then start the recording.

Mere ko aisa nahi lagta ki log bahut zyada nervous hote hain. But there may be some who may be nervous and we try to relax them for we genuinely want that those who have reached here after such hard work must go back with some winnings. Baat kar ke pata chal jata hai ki kitne nervous hai.

That means you can read people well?

I can’t read people well. I am a bad reader of people. But yes, the format of the game allows you to see which way, which direction a person is going. The format allows us to prompt, to keep telling people that you have so many lifelines left or you have won so much.

How did you feel when you touched your wax statue at Madam Tussaud’s?

Ha, woh bahut bada adbhud experience tha. Aisa laga ki woh ek jeeta jaagta putla nahi ek shaks hai aur badi ajeeeb si feeling hui. Abhi bhi yakeen nahi hota ki woh wahan par khara hua hai.

You have been an immensely successful man in every which way. Is success worth it?

The first thing is that I don’t believe in any kind of success. I have just been doing my work. Success is a very delicate moment. It is not very difficult to get there but it is very difficult to maintain it. It is also very fragile. It is never permanent. What goes up, must come down. I think one has to look at success from a distance. If you get too involved in this whole business of success, it can be terrible. It can be very destructive because you start working for just success and nothing else. I would like to believe that I have never done anything like that. I don’t manipulate. I just flow with the tide and I have never gone out of my way to seek any particular position or to destroy somebody else so that I could go forward. I think these are not in my nature. So I am happy if things happen well. And babuji ki sikhayi hui baat main dauhrata rehta hoon: ‘maan ka ho to achcha hai aur na ho to zyada achcha.’

I will take you back in time. Your father is a famous writer, you became a boxwallah in Calcutta and then wanted to become an actor. How did your family react to your decision to join films?

They were very supportive. Both parents. Babuji is from almost middle class-lower middle class family. My mother was from a very aristrocratic family in Punajb. But we always lived with whatever my father could provide. Aap to jante hi hain ki babuji Allahabad University mein the — panch sau rupaiye milte the. So he wanted ki bhaiya kuch professori-professori kar lo, kuch teacher-veechar ban jao. All of us think within our own specific ambit. So for him, it was not a shock, I think, but ajeeb si baat thi that I was leaving Delhi for Calcutta jahan us tarah ki company hoti hai, boxwallahe hote hai, tie, golf aur executive hote hai. But he did not stop me. Again after four or five years, I said that I wanted to go on from there to here (Mumbai). But from his side there was no interference. Both my parents were very supportive. I am here because of them.

The other interview

CONSIDERING the tremendous popularity that Amitabh Bachchan is enjoying all over again, the chief asked me to do an interview with him. "Do an in-depth interview, I want everything he says to be recorded," he said.

Amitabh BachchanSo I rang up the Bachchan residence, fixed an appointment, and arrived there. His son, Abhishek, polite and well-mannered, received me and took me to his father. "He is meditating right now, so sit for a few minutes and he will be with you. Meanwhile, could I get you tea, coffee, cold drink?"

"No, thank you, I am fine," I said, sitting at one end of the room, while Amitabh sat at the other, meditating. Amazing, I said to myself, he does not look a year over 55.

Meditation over, Amitabh greeted me with a slight lifting of the head. Amazing body language, I thought, with the slightest movement of the body he can convey so much, warmth, hospitality, concern, an interest in your affairs.

As I approached him, I momentarily forgot that I was there as a reporter and started babbling over him like a fan. I am told that he has that effect on most people, including tough old reporters. It was some time before I regained control over myself and the interview began.

"Mr Bachchan, would it be right to say that the small screen, as represented by television, is your second coming, and you are as successful in this your second career as you were in your first on the large screen."

Mr Bachchan raised his left eyebrow, very slightly, shrugged, also very slightly, and lowered his shoulders, as if to say, if you feel that way then so be it.

"In view of this, would you say that television has come here to stay, including Sony TV, and it could only become better?" I asked.

Mr Bachchan spread his very expressive hands, looked pensive for a minute, then enlightened, and nodded. Evidently, I had hit the nail on the head, the interview was going swimmingly.

"Third question," I said. "Would you be from now on concentrating on television or would you be dividing your time between television and mainline cinema. And I would also like to know in what proportion the time would be divided."

It was a big question, probably nobody had asked him such a question before. He sat quiet, gave it a great deal of thought, then let me know that he had to yet make up his mind. But his manner indicated he would probably deal with the situation on the lines suggested by me. The chief was going to love this interview.

It was a long interview, and it would have gone on even longer, but his wife interrupted us by reminding him that he had to go for the Kaun Banega Crorepati show. So I shot some pictures of his and came back to office.

And the chief took one look at the pictures and said: "You have gone and interviewed Madame Tussaud’s wax statue of Amitabh."

Busybee
February 20, 2001
(Courtesy: Afternoon Despatch & Courier)